Shoeshine – whatever you’d like

Last week Joanne and I came through the Denver airport with an hour layover.  In walking toward our gate I saw the shoeshine guys right in the middle of the big corridor.  They seemed to be having a great deal of fun and many of the people waiting in line appeared to be regulars.

I had on a pair of Cole Haan shoes that look like a boot and have a very rough texture.  The young guy I spoke to assured me they could make them look great and I took my seat.  I had not seen any signs about the pricing but assumed I had simply overlooked them.  But while I was sitting in the seat I observed a lot of money being handed to these three guys in a very informal way.

Yes, he did an amazing job on my shoes.  When I stood up I asked how much I owed him and he replied, “Whatever you’d like, sir.”   No prices, no suggested fees, just whatever I’d like.

Would you be willing to accept that in pay at the end of the day?  Or to provide your service for a customer and simply say “Whatever you’d like?”

How do you think that steps up their level of service — their attempts to be interested in you as a real person rather than just one more customer?  What do you think they’re income is compared to other shoe-shine shops?  I know I paid double what a normal shine costs just because of the great service and innovative approach.  With most people not wanting to appear cheap or taking advantage I suspect that their model dramatically increases their income.

We’ve had people tell us they would have paid ten times as much for the coaching they received or twice as much for a live event they attended here at the Sanctuary.  But I’ve never been man enough to just say, “Whatever you’d like.”

Could you double your income or would it drop to chicken feed if you made that your policy?  If it would be less are people feeling cheated now?

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  • susan

    Interesting concept. It may work in some areas of business but  I knew a chiropractor that offered services for any donation the client could offer and whatever the “Lord laid on their heart”. He did not want to tackle the insurance reimbursement for his services.  This only lasted for about 4 to 5 months and he had to go back to amore traditional fee structure.

    • Anonymous

      Susan – yeah I’m not sure I’d want to make it a blanket policy for everything I do here.

      • Drrick

        Susan and Dan: I know a chiropractor in Levittown PA, Dr. Joe Strauss, who has practiced this way since 1968, I believe. He has 2 other docs in the office with him and they don’t have a fee system at all. I’m with you, Dan. While the idea is very attractive, it takes some major faith to walk away from the insurance safety blanket, and I just don’t have it. He is a hero of mine, though. 

  • Dele

    Sure, the guys got the pricing model right… It could work in the airport. May be not anywhere else. Thanks for the ever-inspiring piece. 

    • Anonymous

      Dele – I suspect there are lots of possibilities.

  • Mary Kathan

    I talked to a young guy who actually does this for his business.  He does outside work for people (cutting firewood, cleaning up yards and debris, etc).  He tells the customers “let me do the work you want, and then pay me what you think I should get after I am done.”  He said he usually makes a lot more money this way then if he justs gives them a price upfront.  He is a hard worker and it pays off for him.

    • Anonymous

      Mary Kathan – I love hearing stories about other creative applications.

  • Bernard Haynes

    Dan, great article. After reading this article, I thought about a class I taught at church a couple years ago.  There was a guy in the class that gave an awesome testimony about shinning shoes. He shared how the manager at a department store gave him a  part time space shinning shoes and eventually the manager saw how people loved his service and conversation that he gave him a full time space too run as his own shoe shine business. He said after a few years he had built a large list of clients that allowed him to open a couple more spaces that he leased to other guys. He shared with us that  his shoe shinning business was earning him a six figure income. He provided an awesome service and people kept coming back and they recommended him to their friends and associates.

    • Anonymous

      Bernard – thanks for sharing that story.  We’re often too quick to generalize about what businesses would be successful.  Most anything done with excellence can lead to extraordinary success.

  • http://viewfromthetopcoaching.com Bryan Morris

    I have done computer work for friends. Just things I’ve taught myself. It isn’t something I would enjoy doing all the time so I don’t expect to be payed for it. I’m just helping a friend out. Almost every time I say don’t worry about the money, they give me more than I would have charge in the first place. It’s all about the value the other person receives from your service. Very awesome idea.

  • Jllewis6698

    Very interesting!  I have been considering this very idea myself for some time now.  I’m a full time IT professional and we charge a fairly high-hourly rate for our services so I’ve been hesitant to experiment with this approach but I just might try it on a customer or two and see how they react. 

    • Anonymous

      I think there has to be a pretty clear “common value” for the work or service for this to work.  If you do work that you know is worth $200 but an outsider may guess is a $50 task, you could have trouble with this.  Just today I got an estimate from a guy for installing an air duct across an open room here in the Sanctuary.  I fully expected it to be a $300-400 job – he came in at $1288.  Most of the difference was just that I am totally unfamiliar with his line of work.  IT work can often be related to “time” rather than to the value added.  

  • http://www.fieldofdebt.com Jen McDonough

    Dan,
    What a GREAT blog post.Having been to Denver’s airports many times over the past 2 years for our son’s medical stuff, I have enjoyed watching the guys shining shoes. They always seem to have people in their chairs and usually have genuine smiles on their face. It just looks fun to have your shoes shined!
     
    I am going to try putting this concept to the test my friend!  I am having an ebook put out HOPEFULLY in the next 2 weeks.  By having the ebook option, I will be able to reach many more people as I will save on costs of buying the books and the charges for mailing each book out.
     
    For the book, I will have some leeway on what to charge, however, with the ebook, I will have quite a bit of flexibility for what I charge (I was thinking of offering bulk discounts and offering so many downloads at a discounted rate). Perhaps for the ebook, I will just toss that as an option…what do you want to pay for it?  I LIKE the idea!! One can always say no, but what the heck, I will be reaching more people this way and I wouldn’t be out anything.
     
    Will it help me sell one more book…who knows, but I have a feeling it is going to be a great learning experience!
     
    Dan, tanks for the great ideas as well as your daily dose of out of the boxing thinking.
    Blessings,
    Jen

    • Anonymous

      Jen,

      I’m confident you will lead the way with some creative ideas.  Have fun playing with the options.  It’s probably difficult to expect to sell “multiple downloads” of an ebook.  Just kind of defies the idea of a download.  I’ve never tried to restrict the number of times someone shares one of my downloads.  If they buy it once and share with 200 of their friends I simply jump up and down for joy that they thought it was worth sharing. 

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