Unemployed Need Not Apply

Okay, here’s a phenomenon we’re seeing that is probably going to outrage some of you and confirm that “life is not fair” to others.  Job listings spotted on Monster, Careerbuilder and other websites flatly state any applicant should be currently employed.  There are job ads being posted that specifically say, “No unemployed will be considered.”

Let’s just cut to the chase and list some reasons why:

  • Employed workers are perceived as more skilled and valued
  • Hiring a top performer is seen as a way of accessing a competitor’s strategies
  • Employers still may assume jobless workers were laid off for performance problems
  • Hiring managers wonder if an unemployed person’s skills and contacts are up to date
  • Unemployed often are frustrated, bitter and angry – characteristics not welcomed in new work environments
  • Weeding out the “unemployed” just helps as a screening tool for overworked human resources departments

And no, this is not discrimination.  The unemployed are not a protected class under U.S. law.  You can’t say you won’t hire Hispanics, Muslims, women with small breasts (Seinfeld), or old people – but you can say you won’t hire anyone who is unemployed.

Is this just the way the cookie crumbles or is this kicking someone when they’re down?  What would you propose as a helpful solution?

 

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  • http://www.suttonparks.com Sutton Parks

    I was always told, “It’s easier to get a job when you have a job”. I tell people looking for work to get a job, any job. Even a minimum wage job shows a willingness to work, follow directions and a level of reliability. As a business owner, I want someone with a current track record to minimize risk. The risk is loosing a customer because I made a poor choice in hiring.

    • Anonymous

      I would agree, get a job so something shows as “current” employment on your resume.  Then feature your skills and achievements first and foremost to be recognized for the job you are applying for.

    • Jylleallison

      If you want to work – and not able or willing to leave
      the country, I suggest picking up a job – any kind of job – or better yet, volunteer somewhere where you put in regular hours – and change the headingnof your resume to “experience”

      The best suggestion someone gave me is to network your way to a job. Took me about 3 weeks – but received an offer when I called a former boss for a reference.

  • Glarowe

    I think companies that do this are pretty dumb. I don’t disagree that companies do this and that the reasons listed are probably some of the top reasons why they do what they do. However, there are several reasons why people may be unemployed. Some people choose to be unemployed for a time.  Take me for example, I quite my job last summer and spent 9 months traveling in 23 countries on 4 continents. I did so because I had the means and the desire to do so. I was only a little worried about getting a job when I returned to the US but not that worried. My thought process was that if an employer thought what I did was irresponsible or foolish then that is their rite but I also feel that employers who feel this way are companies or organizations that I am not interested in working for anyway. People drop out of the labor market for other more important reasons such as taking care of a loved one who is sick or parents starting a family. If companies limit their options like this then they are just hurting themselves. I’ve been a hiring manger before. I would look at an individual’s situation and chose the best people I could fine to help memy employer succeed.

    ……Just my two cents……Good post Dan, enjoyed thinking about it :-)

  • do not belong here any more

    Out of work four years … Hard to believe!!!  Have had good jobs to take IF I could move out of town.  But not lately!!!  Maybe I am getting a clue.

    My wife (totally disabled and on Social Security disability … yeah, she is a socialist) mentioned this issue.  I had not heard of it.  Googled and found this item.  Live in rural Nevada, 75 miles from Las Vegas; invested $200k in a house; owe a lot; it is upside-down; applied for BofA HAMP mod, but read they do not DO HAMP; expect foreclosure.  I am 64.

    BUT WE HAVE A PLAN.  Yes, create one’s own future and destiny.  Please do not laugh.  But when we get the foreclosure notice, we will sell the appliances, fans, light fixtures, faucets, cabinets, fountain, even the trees; you get the idea, everything sellable to recover a tiny part of that $200k.  And we are moving out of the U.S.  The social compact is soooo over.  Forget the five tours of duty in the war in Southeast Asia and the 28 years of civil service.  

    A person that is not wanted does not belong.  I get it.

    • Anonymous

      I’m curious where you are going outside the U.S. where there is more opportunity??

      • do not belong here any more

        WHERE:  We intend to travel to El Salvador where we have a friend of 33 years, an old and long time friend that worked as a simultaneous English/Spanish interpreter for our government.  We will take side trips to all the countries in Central America, and maybe to some in South America with her (excluding Mexico).  I lived and worked in Thailand and Laos, and traveled around Southeast Asia for years in the military a very long time ago.  I would be most comfortable there as I speak some Thai, and have contacts there.  Cuba may be an option in the not too distant future … and not far to Miami for medical treatments. My wife will decide where she likes the most.WHY:  Cost of living mostly.  We have worked up some numbers, and hope to be able to save over 50% of our measly pension and disability income; costs for her regular visits four times a year to the Cushings doctor specialist and her regular doctor are factored in.  We will see.  OPPORTUNITY:  At 64 and with her being disabled, I could only hope for some work of a minor nature, unlike the years past of highly responsible and demanding positions.  She gets around, does not need constant attention, but has serious short term memory issues, cognitive issues, and mental processing issues, with the Cushings so I may only be able to spend some quality time/years with her.  Sometimes in life, opportunity finds us when we are least looking for it.Thanks for asking.  Am curious why.

        • Anonymous

          I was serious about asking where you were considering.  My son and his wife live in Mobasa, Kenya.  They have a $400/mo apartment right on the Indian Ocean – it’s 85 degrees 365 days a year – they go out to eat marvelous lunches of fresh fruit and veggies for $2 for both of them – they have no need of a car – and spend a couple days a month consulting with non-profits who want to know how to engage with the culture there.  The spend a lot of time reading, basking in the sun and talking to locals.  

          • Craiggl6

            WOW DAN! THIS SOUNDS AMAZING! I wonder if there is a need for English tutors etc?

          • Me

            I would like to know how to get a life like that! Only here at home where I have family as I’m single. And, yes, I have been using one of your coaches … Oh! And I’m unemployed.

          • Swimmingly!

            Wow. That sounds like a wonderful life, Dan.  I wonder how I can make  enough money to get to Kenya… and to live there.  I am 53, a cancer patient, and was canned from my job after cancer surgery. It was a permanent colostomy. Oh… maybe I can’t get ostomy supplies in Kenya. I have just run out of unemployment benefits… but I have a plan… if I don’t get a job, I’ll swim from Los Angeles to Kenya.  And whatever the sharks don’t eat on my way there can be food for other undersea creatures.  

      • MCedo1

        FYI- Panama is absolutely booming and many speak english due to the American military installment that used to be there.  And I think as a foreigner your money is not taxed. 

      • Janet2025

        Dan, I second your question!

    • do not belong here any more

      I have been thinking about this issue for a few hours since finding this blog, and it does occur to me that while watching the slow motion financial tsunami that is permanently destroying the net worth of a significant portion of the American middle class, there are a couple dramatic consequences that COULD affect a person’s worthiness for a position of serious responsibility.  Maybe one’s FICO score is now more important than one’s education level in gauging likely fiduciary talents.  From an HR perspective, a low FICO indicates a poor ability to manage assets.  Secondly, I do believe from a security perspective, just like a history of gambling, a low FICO would probably suggest a higher risk to the employer if there are trade secrets or national security issues involved; but other than a general disgust for corporate life and the breakdown of the allegiance to one’s employer, I find it a stretch, but I’m not an HR type.  Why that thinking about irresponsible gambling does not translate to Wall Street and Banking CEOs that play fast and gutsy with other people’s money and gamble with derivatives, ….. I just don’t know.At 64 I am not going to be able to start over here.  THAT I do know.

      • MGVdec2000

        Please keep in min that a high FICO score does NOT imply responsibility with money. It only means you like to borrow money. Millionaires, such as Dave Ramsey, have a zero FICO score and are very proud of that fact. Not to say that FICO scores can’t have a place in employment and other decisions, just be sure you understand WHY a score is low. A low score due to bankruptcy and delinquent bills is much different from a score that is low because you choose not to borrow money.

    • Michael

      I have never posted anything on a blog before in my life, but I felt very compelled to reach out to you (for my first) if you would like some help.  Before addressing that though, I just want to tell you how much I appreciate your service to our country and helping ensure the freedoms we still enjoy.  I spent 27 months in Iraq & Afghanistan as a DOD contractor and thank God for our incredible military personnel and their leadership.  Most people don’t understand the sacrifices I am sure you have made but they really can’t without a dose of exposure they will never get from the evening news.  Regardless, Thank you again and may God bless you!

      You may email me at m1alexander-at-yahoo, if you wish to talk more, and while I can’t guarantee any specific results I can offer several options that will certainly be better than letting the BOA steamroller damage your situation further.  You may want to talk to a Realtor in your area who has significant experience in short sales to determine what current trends are for your area, housing type, and price range.  Also, by speaking with a highly reputable local real-estate investor you may be able to walk away from that situation without any foreclosure and a forgiveness of the balance (difference) owed on the mortgage.  Make sure the individuals you speak to are respected by their peers and operate from a foundation of integrity.  A little due diligence will uncover (fairly quickly) if other professionals want to work with them or not. 

      Finally, (trying to be brief) my heart goes out to you and your wife, and the sense of desperation that seems present in your comments.  I know there are support resources available from a multitude of providers if you are willing to reach out to them.  If you will take some time to communicate your needs to the outlets that can assist, there is help available to make this time less painful.  You are not alone and so many good people are in a similar situation right now.  I want to encourage you not to go through this alone as there are still folks who are willing and able to assist.  My recent experience in Joplin, MO reminds me how vibrant the American spirit of community and compassion still lives on today.  Please let me know if I can help. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4M24NA7OU4GRZ3WOQYGO7QQKYM Patricia Meyer

        I sympathize with ‘do not belong here anymore’ … I am unemployed also.  I started working when I was 13 and generally held down 2 jobs and at one time in my life 3.  With the article stating that unemployed need not apply really puts me even lower emotionally.  Employers, I AM NOT STUPID! I am acollege graduate, can prove stability in my career, 55, single, white American woman.  Fortunately, my home sold barely before the foreclosure date (by 14 days).  I also was planning on selling everything in/on the house, including the lightbulbs.  I feel as though people pity me, or catagorize me as lazy, stupid, or too old.  I don’t want pity, I am NOT lazy, am  intelligent. I am a young 55. Just last week, in 6 days, I applied for 23 positions, hand delivered the resumes and cover letters, and used the nearly $4.00 a gallon gas while driving basically on fumes, hoping I make it before I run out.  I sometimes am so frustrated, I want to give up!  I have been trying to self employ myself, however, I have not been successful yet. 

        When I went down to Human Services to apply for food stamps, I was embarassed and humiliated that I had gotten to the lowest point of my life.  Two hundred dollars a month for food doesn’t stretch very far.  You suggested to ‘don’t belong here anymore’ that there are organizations and funding to assist people… I have run into so many brick walls trying to help myself that my nose is flat and I have an ongoing headache.  I was cancelled from my health insurance last month and will now have to depend on public health assistance.  I feel I am putting my health in greater risk.  I am uberly stressed.  Statistics show that in Colorado, undocumented people receive more than half of the public health assistance. How right is that?  Is it right to run us out of the country because we were laid off and determined ‘unemployable’ by employers.  I cannot afford to live here anymore…I am going with ’we don’t belong here anymore’.  Who really cares anyway?  

        I am not a US Veteran, however, my daughter currently serves in the US Army and is deployed to Afghanistan.  I proudly fly my countries flag and have a yellow ribbon tied around the pole beneath the flag for my daughter and all of her commrades safe return…but what will they be coming home to?  a recession, a second recession, fewer career opportunities, less benefits, less health care, and broken promises? 

        My frustration level is so high right now, but I keep trying.  Where does one really find help?

        • Pen-to-paper

          I understand your discouragement! I am freelancing some but need steady work, and have been unsuccessful finding a fit. At this point in my life I need a job that brings some challenge. All I can say is I will pray for you. 
          Things with our country are too weird to believe half the time.
          No one can peg us as unemployable unless we allow them to. My mom would say “Keep that chin up!” I have her note posted on the fridge and sometimes when I am down it catches my eye and reminds me, I am a child of a King. HE can make a way and show His strength through our weaknesses. The only true help is from above.

    • Anon in Georgia

      Do not belong here anymore:

      I would like to bring an opportunity to your attention.  A retired veteran friend of mine is receiving FREE money for college tuition AND HOUSING EXPENSES for earning a bachelors and masters degree….he is 48 years old and in your same boat; however, he is one year from completing his bachelor’s and will be a Physician Assistant in another 3 years.  ALL FOR FREE. 

      Please go down to your local VA office and see what opportunities await you.  If nothing else, you could get a $60,000/year job as an RN anywhere, assuming you want to work past retirement age.  You could earn 2 college degrees and have housing and expenses provided for you and your wife for 6 years…..for FREE.

      Selling everything to recoup whatever you can is not a dumb idea.  Use Craig’s List.  Don’t forget the front door and windows.  :)  

      • Anon in Georgia

        Would like to add that a retired investment banker friend who has lived abroad most of his life once told me, “as screwed up as this country is, it’s still the best country in the world.”

      • http://profiles.google.com/fisher.gary Gary Fisher

        I would agree that those who have earned VA benefits should take advantage of them, but please don’t ever think of it as “FREE MONEY.”  Governments pay their bills with money collected through taxes; whether it’s spent foolishly or wisely, it came from people like you and me who worked for it, or (more often today) was borrowed and will have to be paid back by workers and their children.  NOTHING the government does or gives away is free.

  • MikeB

    I went to a job fair today in Pittsburgh, PA, and one of the organizers got about 20 of us early birds together to brief us prior to allowing us to enter the interviewing area. She told us about the companies, etc., etc., but the one thing that blew my mind was that she told us the one big company (I wont say name) was not hiring anyone that was currently self-employed or unemployed!

  • Lisas560

    I think that language preferences should be eliminated. Most ads say bilingual preferred. So, even if they let you apply, what are the chances you’ll be hired if you only speak English. I’d like to know what languages Obama is fluent in. While we’re at it, poll all of Congress, Governors, and state officials. If they aren’t bilingual, they shouldn’t be able to run for office. Also, try checking the companies that these headhunters have you apply to. They have no jobs available. Big Surprise! Stop torturing everyone and post only jobs that are available. Then everyone will know how few jobs there are out  there,

  • Omar Schmidlap

    This surprises you all (sic)?  I’ve known about this phenomenon first hand for twenty years.  Oh, and working at a minimum wage job while possessing two engineering degrees doesn’t impress anybody.

  • http://twitter.com/scottjduffy Scott Duffy

    It’s called “social proof”. The fact you have a job means someone else thinks you are a good employee and are worth hiring. If you do not have one, that means someone else fired you. It also usually means many, many others who interviewed you decided not to hire you.

    It’s like finding a nice house in a nice location that is a good price that has been unsold on the market for several months or years. Your first instinct should be, “What’s wrong with it? Why am I not seeing what other people see wrong with it? There must be something wrong.” Same idea.

    • Me

      I was not fired, life has more to it than that, but I am unemployed, but feel I have a LOT to off er a company.

  • Anonymous

    Oh no! What ever will I do now? I will miss all those underpaid, overworked hours spent in an office cubical with the design aesthetic of a sensory deprivation chamber. I guess I’ll have to settle for taking my laptop to the coffee house and deal with all the frustrations of gorgeous weather, sunny patios, friendly people, lovely music and a good cup of coffee while I make 3x’s my former income being self-employed. Grrrrrrr. I’m so angry.  /sarcasm

    • Me

      I would love to be self-employed, do you mind if I ask what you do?

      • Anonymous

        Not at all!!! I deal mostly with architects and developers, developing CG illustration and animation to aid in project marketing and promotion. I work in tandem with a couple of friends. Our website is http://www.pheno.me We built the site ourselves, and didn’t do a very good job, so it takes a while to load. haha :) And it needs more content too. I’m making plans to move out of that and into producing and creating independent animated films with religious themes for teens and adults. I’m working out a schedule now to have my first short film completed by the middle of next year.

        All I can say is that if you landed here you’ve found a great spring board. Dan’s book ‘No More Dreaded Mondays’ is a great place to start. The 48 days community is also very encouraging and helpful. Also, check out his podcasts on iTunes, they are great too. You can find them at the top under the ‘Get Connected’ tab. Just find something you love to do, and make a solid, legitimate, well thought out plan on how to generate some income. There’s no tow trucks on the road less traveled, but the drive is much more enjoyable. Best of luck.

  • Mail4kds

    Dan, what is your thought on a couple moving to China to live and work? Neither one of us speak the language but I believe that’s why they make Rosetta Stone programs for.

    Any insight on this or any other good places would be appreciated! Something needs to change here?

  • http://apparelforpeace.wordpress.com Ravenburnes

    Well this is definitely discrimination, just not illegal. just confirms my disgust with corporate business as usual and increases my determination to work for myself one day. I am a full time student and “unemployed” but a very valuable individual that would be an asset to any organization. I like the idea of leaving the country and stimulating someone else’s economy but it hasn’t come to that for me – YET!

  • http://twitter.com/thegogetter Walter Kuriger, MBA

    This explains a lot!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=725105259 Robby Myrick

    Our capitalist American success system has trained itself to sustain a self-centered, hyper-competitive environment which rewards the ‘top 5%’ for their wealth-creation … rather than seeking to employ the masses of skilled, and potentially very successful, ‘worker-bees’, with a compassionate heart which seeks to help more people to succeed.  At the very root of our capitalism, we were founded upon a ‘moral ethic’ which helps all to pursue happiness, peace, and their own ‘piece of the pie’.  Sadly, we have veered way off course.

  • Anonymous

    There is a fine line between a person who is unemployed and a person who is self-employed ($400 according to tax law). A self-employed person, one who persistently seeks and accomplishes freelance work, may be seen as productive. A person who volunteers on top of that may be seen as even more productive and one who is not just about the money. I would encourage people to stop using the term unemployed in their application and become self-employed. Again, if a person makes at least $400, they are legally self-employed.

    Erick 

  • Aldredj389

    This isn’t the outrage many people would take it as
    There are two solutions
    1)People just need to get creative in their resumes and interviews to show “employment”, I’m not condoning lying, I’m simply saying if you cut grass for 10 people in your neighborhood, your own and operate a single employee lawn service company! Its that easy
    2) this may be a ploy to weed out those who are not persistant
    You submit your resume with your skills listed and at the end your employment history
    If you are qualified and present yourself as confident and driven, do you TRUELY think the company will refuse your hire on the basis of employment?
    If they do, they are NOT a company I want to do work for, and will likely not survive

  • http://twitter.com/TimTune Tim Tune

    Our group on LinkedIn — Public Relations and Communications Jobs Community, which includes a lot of experienced folks “in transition” — has been kicking around such ideas for a while. About a month ago I posted a link to a friend’s blog post that asked the question: Age discrimination in PR/communications recruiting? With more than 400 comments so far, I would say that the majority think there is. And lately there has been some discussion of this “unemployed need not apply” requirement that seems to be trending. Several of us have taken the “get over it” approach and are involved in a serious move to start a PR agency that will operate as a far-flung virtual team. I know this model works. (Check out “Rework” by Jason Fried and David Heinemeier, founders of 37signals, that offers insight into how their company has made it work.) In the meantime, most of us continue the job search and look for work by prospecting for contract and project work. And most of us are volunteering our skills to causes we care about. We’re also keeping up our skills by reading, researching, writing, blogging, tweeting with purpose, and, of course, participating in relevant online communities. These are “current” activities you can include in your resume, proving that you’re not just sitting around getting stale and waiting for your expiration date to roll around.

  • JuliAnn Barcal

    It’s hard to believe that a person who is not employed but has the right credentials and personality for the 
    job would be passed over. Maybe those companies will be shooting themselves in the foot and would not be good places to work at anyway. It seems very strange to me.

  • Don Nelson

    Here’s one solutioin: ignore the ad and move on to the next opportunity.  A company using this as a screen sounds shortsighted and/or lazy.  Probably not someone you’d want to work for.

  • Kam76

    This does not affect me, but think about this – if a person(s) is unemployed AND is included in one of the protected categories listed above regarding discrimination…. I smell lawsuits – LOTS of lawsuits, which will mean more companies NOT hiring people due to legal difficulties. 

  • http://www.fapturboforexrobot.org Pips

    I do understand where they are coming from.  They don’t want other people trash type of mentality.  They want someone else’s treasures.  However, I am not sure I would want to work in a cut-throat culture like that.  It would be interesting to see the company’s that are doing this and compare their culture’s with their competitor’s we might just find out why they are going it this way.

  • guest

    I think it is discriminatory to refuse to interview or hire someone who is unemployed.  Especially understanding that some persons have lost jobs in the midst of challenging economic conditions, it really isn’t fair.  Since I have had the experience of being unemployed twice in a short time frame, once I became employed, I would’ve missed the opportunity to work for some great companies.  My first period of unemployment lasted six months.  My entire company had shut down, and it was no fault of my own.  It took that long to find suitable employment that matched my skills and ability.  After working at the next company for a year, I moved out of state and worked for another company that had a tragic fire and burned down without rebuilding, causing everyone to lose their jobs.  I now work for a great company and the only work opportunity I am looking for, is within my own business.  I can understand a company’s concern with hiring unemployed persons for various reasons, but I do not think they should exclude them from the competition.   p.s. as a manager now seeking to hire someone i also have the concern that the unemployed person may be more interested in snagging a job to land a paycheck rather than being interested in the position and the company- but again i think they should be given the opportunity to interview.

    • Critical Thinker

      So you mean that you’d be willing to work all day at an organization in business to make money without the chance to ‘land a paycheck’?

      I guess the economic tide will never turn, and no one will ever create an organization that has higher earnings per share by operating without HR and middle management. A company way more innovative with 70% fewer employee related lawsuits?

      Wouldn’t you be leery about an applicant looking to ‘land’ a bigger paycheck?

      Is the assumption that managers are infallible and that bad employees only come in classes below management? So employees have to carry the weight of a non-critical thinking decision maker too?

      What about a person on an improvement plan trying to find a job before getting fired for reasons you’d want to avoid them.

    • Fishld

      Guest..I’m sure that as soon as the unemployed become employed, there may be a move to also make “not hiring unemployed” discriminatory.  It will take $$$…thus won’t happen until more folks are employed.

      And, quite frankly, I’m retired but saw over the course of the last years of working in middle management, generally-speaking, employees were very demanding and whiney.  They were clock-watchers when it was to their advantage, expected unearned entitlements.  I wonder if employers are now smiling.  Hopefully, perspective employees will have much better work ethics if they are hired.

  • Morrisonintexas

    One has to just treat yourself in an entirely different manner than you’ve been taught. You been taught that the employer is supreme and you bow and bend to their every whim. Not so! You make your choices based on the sovereign being you are. As a business owner or self employed person, you sometimes have to fire an employee, a supplier, even a customer, who just becomes more of a liability than an asset. In this situation, I would not choose to work for a company whose mindset is so narrow and so screwed up. If they are going to take that stance in hiring then there will obviously be other idiotic symptoms show up down the line somewhere. Just like, as a businessman, you would turn away an applicant who demonstrates obvious problems, I would turn away a company who takes this posture. I have always been amazed at how companies will have statements printed on applications that say, if you are not truthful in any manner on what you put in your resume or application, you can, and probably will be terminated as a result. But the companies hiring frequently mislead, distort, and outright lie and that seems to be okay. Again we are expected to bow and whimper, “Yes sir, yes sir.” I was hired by one company for a sales position once, who changed all the rules we agreed upon right after I was hired. My reaction? I fired them. You don’t have to cower to these people. They’re not worth it. Find someone who will appreciate you and your talent. Someone once said, “Go where you are appreciated, not where you are just tolerated.”

  • Angelicgal79

    I think this is adding insult to injury already!!!

  • Dutchmeister

    I think this is a darn shame.  This is how we treated people who have put in their time with a company/organization/agency: We lay them off or fire them, make it next to impossible for them to collect unemployment because of all the hoops they have to jump through, and then, when they are dying to return to work so they can get back on their feet financially, employers don’t want to hire them… because they’re unemployed!!!???  I find that infuriating!

    • Omar Schmidlap

      Welcome to the club.

  • susan_bosch

    Find a quick way to be “employed.” Pull one of Dan’s ideas from 48 Days to the Work You Love or come up with something on your own, something for which YOU have a passion and before you know it, you might not even want that other job.

  • Jeantype

    Actually, jeremiahspoon’s perspective offers a great marketing tip to the unemployed (one that I’ve used during periods of unemployment, BTW.) Call yourself a free agent, rather than saying you are unemployed. Unless you really do sit around in your underwear watching Jerry Springer all day, you must be doing something.  Working for cash is still working. Perhaps the employers who screen out “unemployed” people are trying to screen out the needy, and those who aren’t resourceful.

  • Barsoo222

    Unemployed people should do regular community work or anything for anyone, as long as they are employed by and to do something for a regular period of time, occuppied daily is my idea, so they can say they are employed without lying!!
    Then it is a need to earn more money! And be more fulfilled.

  • Michael

    I have never posted anything on a blog before in my life, but I felt
    very compelled to reach out to you (for my first) if you would like
    some help.  Before addressing that though, I just want to tell you how
    much I appreciate your service to our country and helping ensure the
    freedoms we still enjoy.  I spent 27 months in Iraq & Afghanistan
    as a DOD contractor and thank God for our incredible military personnel
    and their leadership.  Most people don’t understand the sacrifices I am
    sure you have made but they really can’t without a dose of exposure
    they will never get from the evening news.  Regardless, Thank you again
    and may God bless you!

    You may email me at m1alexander-at-yahoo,
    if you wish to talk more, and while I can’t guarantee any specific
    results I can offer several options that will certainly be better than
    letting the BOA steamroller damage your situation further.  You may
    want to talk to a Realtor in your area who has significant experience
    in short sales to determine what current trends are for your area,
    housing type, and price range.  Also, by speaking with a highly
    reputable local real-estate investor you may be able to walk away from
    that situation without any foreclosure and a forgiveness of the balance
    (difference) owed on the mortgage.  Make sure the individuals you speak
    to are respected by their peers and operate from a foundation of
    integrity.  A little due diligence will uncover (fairly quickly) if
    other professionals want to work with them or not. 

    Finally,
    (trying to be brief) my heart goes out to you and your wife, and the
    sense of desperation that seems present in your comments.  I know there
    are support resources available from a multitude of providers if you
    are willing to reach out to them.  If you will take some time to
    communicate your needs to the outlets that can assist, there is help
    available to make this time less painful.  You are not alone and so
    many good people are in a similar situation right now.  I want to
    encourage you not to go through this alone as there are still folks who
    are willing and able to assist.  My recent experience in Joplin, MO
    reminds me how vibrant the American spirit of community and compassion
    still lives on today.  Please let me know if I can help. 

  • MakeLemonade

    Those employers are very short-sighted.  A currently unemployed person might well turn out to be a very appreciative, hard-working, and loyal employee.  The person could easilty have many years of valuable experience and expertise to “bring to the table”–much more so than a less-experienced but currently employed candidate.  This reminds me of the folks who don’t want to hire older workers–workers with a genuine work ethic, a wealth of life experience, and plenty of work experience–because they assume that a young worker is better merely as a result of age.

  • Branam1110

    Get a job. I was on unemployment for a little while. It made me lazy. I’ll never do it again. Get a job, any job and it will keep you focused and keep overworked human resource managers from weeding you out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=655822415 JR Simons

    A couple of years ago, I was placed in an untenable position at my full-time place of employment and was forced to make the very difficult decision to leave that employer.  I gave myself 90 days to find a new job before my contract with that employer ended ; however, the full-time job never materialized.  Luckily for me, I had been running a small entertainment business for some years and had been maintaining a part-time job at a local high school for almost as long.  Those two items jumped to the top of my CV as my current employers so that it never appeared as if I was unemployed.  I added a part-time job as a substitute teacher, another part-time job as a stagehand at one of our local community colleges, and yet another part-time job as an English instructor for another local community college.  Two years later, I still do not have a full-time job, but the work from 2 or 3 part-time community college teaching jobs, my part-time job with the high school, my part-time stagehand work, and my small business has not only replaced my full-time income from before, but has allowed me to work fewer hours under better working conditions.  It doesn’t hurt that I teach a lot of online courses, either, which allows me to work from home nearly half the time.  Now that I have a laptop, that means that I can be working on grading papers, watching “Jeopardy,” and eating dinner with my family all at the same time.  Today, I’m looking to expand my business offerings for my small company and further increase my income by doing the things I trained to do while I was in college.

    We need to look at older models of work and employment for our own personal future support.  The future successful worker will be one who has an entrepreneurial mindset and is able to create opportunities for him/herself.  While I am technically an employee of each of the high schools and community colleges I work for, I am on a contract with them, so it is much more like being a self-employed educator offering my services to each individual client school.  The benefit is that they do take care of taxes and putting some of my own money away into a retirement account for me, relieving me of some of that burden.  Creativity is the key to success.

    • Anonymous

      JR – great overview of the changing work environment.  You are indeed the worker of the future and you’ll never be “unemployed.”  You observed, adapted, created a plan and made it happen without waiting for “things to get better.”

  • Sibylw

    I say start your own business and hire without prejudice of any kind. :)

  • David

    Sound to me kicking someone they are down. 

    In this day and age where many become unemployed through no fault of their own, this can be viewed as a new low. 

    With manager like this, they miss out on great dedicated workers. I personally know many unemployed people who will love to have a job. They would work with joy and no complaints. 

  • guest user

    This sort of ridiculousness is precisely why my mission, in as short an order as possible, is to stop having “jobs” and instead be self-employed full-time.  Dealing with corporate culture or anything inspired by it in any way means dealing with inhuman and wrong-headed policies like the one described.  For those who actually want a job, maybe the best solution is to become self-employed in some capacity long enough to be able to apply to the position you want…but be warned, if your own business has any success at all you may decide you’re no longer willing to spend your days clocking in and out at somebody else’s company and making money for people who don’t want to share it with you…especially not for the illusion of “security.”  Think about it – if somebody’s going to dictate how, when, and where you do your work, and if somebody’s going to profit off of your talent and sweat, why shouldn’t it be you?

  • Michael

    Everyone should have a spell being self-employed. Even if you have to go back to a job, you will have enough self confidence not to be constantly worrying about what will happen if you get “let go”-you know you can survive!

    If you are unemployed, avoid big corporates like the plague. Ove time they get encrusted with silly rules, regulations, predudices and notions that means they have a personnell department that has no notion of how to recognise talent. Small operations and startups would be a better bet

    • Anonymous

      Michael – great advice.  Once a person has been self-employed they realize they are always “self-employed.”  It’s then simply a matter of whether you have just one customer or many.  

  • http://profiles.google.com/fisher.gary Gary Fisher

    I’m so old I can remember when the only qualification for answering a “Help Wanted” ad was the willingness and ability to do the job.  Permanently sidelining the jobless makes things easier for HR departments and creates the illusion of improving unemployment numbers, but is disastrous for the nation.

    • Anonymous

      Gary – yeah, “willingness” to do the job is no longer enough.  A person has to sell a company on their ability and passion for doing the work.  It must be a “fit” along with being willing and available.  

      • http://profiles.google.com/fisher.gary Gary Fisher

        I said willingness *and ability*, Dan, but you’re right on the money about salesmanship being the key once you’ve gotten past the HR Dept’s checklist.  “Quiet competence” will at best keep someone from being replaced, but will seldom lead to hiring or a promotion.

      • Sharon

        I grew up not encouraged to brag about myself and sell myself. This is a very hard thing for me to do. My Supervisor was great at bragging and selling herself that is why she got so far so quick. She knew how to work the men and the system. Sad, very sad. The common hard working honest working person doesn’t have a chance against someone like this. She would try to take credit for things other people did to help her. 

    • Omar Schmidlap

      I’m old enough — but just barely — to remember the widespread practice of something called “common courtesy.”

  • http://twitter.com/avgcatholicjoe Joe Ferguson

    One possible solution would be to get a part-time job delivering pizzas/newspapers or working at a home improvement/grocery store just to “get employed”. 

    Think creatively on your resume or on an application – instead of putting “I’m currently delivering pizzas,” put something like “Proven skills in delivering top-notch customer service resulting in the attainment of management goals and objectives in an intense service-oriented environment.”

    Just “food” for thought!

    • Anonymous

      Joe – I love it.  You are absolutely right.  Doing anything has value for showing you are still in the game – and yes, you can glamorize the description.  

  • Dannydnashvegas

    This idea might sound too utopian (and has actually been criticized as such) but what can be done during the initial phase of unemployment to demonstrate use of skills a hiring manager would say “I want that?” After my position of 12 years recently ended, some of those I serve expressed concern that they would no longer be able to use me. Reassuring them that isn’t the case, and using whatever vehicle is at hand to continue to serve your customer base demonstrates skills that are desirable. In my case, it was setting up my own license and liability insurance, printing new business cards. I know that sounds too easy, and may not work for everyone. But if one loses a traditional 40 hr week job, what suppliers, vendors, etc., can be contacted for referrals and opportunities to continue to serve them? Again, this may not work for everyone. A second thing in my case was not long before the position ended, an opportunity to serve a non profit popped up out of nowhere. I didn’t want to do it but responded to their need and to their desire for me to meet that need. It’s turned into a good temporary part time paying gig. I suppose I have the advantage of being able to analyze opportunities against the Bible: here it has turned into “you have been faithful in small things, I will put you in charge of great things”. At age 57, I’m not thinking a “job” will be offered, nor am I seeking one, but rather seeking to manage relationships built over the last 30 years, and asking “how can I serve you now that I’m no longer tied to my former earthly master?”

  • Kathleen

    Use your volunteer work as employment. 

  • Colbys17

    One place that had found this same article made me realize that maybe I am be denied interviews because I haven’t shown any job opportunities in the last two years.  I have been working toward two Master’s degrees and am I unemployed? Yes.  But I am growing.  i still have Dan’s first book to finish as well.

  • Shekinah

    As a soon-to-be college graduate, I hope we are “exceptions to the rule.”

    • NoName

      No, sorry, you are not.  I was out of work for 6 months after college.  I had to apply to an average 5 positions every weekday and had more than 30 interviews in that time.  When I did get an offer, it was a salary that was 10K lower than the average for a college grad of my degree.  I worked my butt off for 8 years and now I do better than 30K more than anyone I graduated with.  You work you butt off to get a job, you work your butt off when you get a job. 

  • dixiedewberry

    Change their minds.

  • Kimbermidd

    I’m saddened by this post, because can give a no hope thought to those in need. My husband recently found work after being unemployed for 9 months. I don’t think monster, career builder or any of the sites are the place to look for work, because every job myself or my husband have gotten has been through networking. There has to be a better way to rephrase and give hope to those hurting. We were fortunate that I work and the company who laid him off gave a small severance. He went through several major interviews and each time he got better at presenting himself and his skills through portfolios and such. The earlier interviews landed him a better position. Dan’s book really points out networking and I do believe that this is how to land your next position. When hope is all we have at a time we need to be able to hang onto that.

    Network through different groups, through toastmasters and such. At least you are moving in the right direction and being around positive, growing individuals.

    • Noneofyourbusiness

      I think you are wrong about monster, career builder etc.  I have had 3 jobs in the past 8 years and all of them were from monster or career builder.  You just have to apply to all jobs that would work for you.  It’s not the only way….but don’t discredit it.

  • DonF

    After two years of wasting my time applying for jobs on the internet, I was called by the owner of a private company – looking for someone with my skill set.  The beauty of this man is that is in his 70′s and looks at me as a young buck, at 63. 
    Reality strikes with a salary below what I was making in 1980 but with upward opportunity for sales commissions.  It’s time to get to it and “be happy.”

    Don

    • Pen-to-paper

      This is very cool. My question is, how did the owner of the company find out about you?
      Anyway, congratulations!

  • Turtle21aj

    Sooo, they are willing to overlook someone who was loyal and hard working to a company that happened to close for people that could be job jumpers.

    • Omar Schmidlap

      FYI, the people doing the referring/hiring automatically consider somone who was present at multiple facility closings to be a job jumper/hopper.  The facts are irrelevant because these people adamantly refuse to hear them.  I know: it’s been done to me more than once.

  • Degerkin

    I wouldn’t want to work for a company that believes someone who is unemployed but actively seeking work is somehow damaged goods and of little value, especially at a time when so many experienced and qualified people are being laid for no reason other than to save a buck. The hiring process works both ways…as an applicant, I also get to evaluate whether the company is worthy of me. If you automatically exclude an unemployed person without considering who they really are and their qualifications, who needs YOU!

  • Degerkin

    Oops. That’s “laid OFF”….different meaning there.  :)

  • Bob Does Green

    I suggest that a person do volunteer work (unpaid internship) while looking for work.  If it resembles a job in duties, structure and hours, I would put it down as and promote it as current experience.  This career activity would help alleviate the concerns of the unemployed (skills lagging, performance problems), would be an opportunity for insight into new strategies, would provide a chance to earn a letter of recommendation, and would provide “current work experience to get past the formidable gate keeper.
    It also expresses a stong interest in a career field and begs the question, “If he/she is willing to work this hard for no pay, what will they be willing to contribute as a paid employee.”  Of course, parameters on the duration of this activity should be set from the beginning.

  • Salzburg37

    The way I look at it, if you are working for someone there is a  ceiling on how much money you can make! A quick example is if you’re making $10 hr that is your max!
    If you work for your self the ceiling is you!
    Naturally you can hop to the next employer to improve your situation!

    • Anonymous

      Exactly – remove the ceiling.  Personally I can’t imagine knowing each day that no matter how great my work was I would be getting the same pay – day after day.  As soon as a person accepts responsibility for “results” rather then “time” the sky is the limit.

  • http://www.midsouthbunkbeds.com Richard

    Don’t pay much attention to reports like this.  There are a 1001 ways to get denied for a position and this is getting the most press now.  It’s more relevant because of the amount and length of time people have gone without work.  Stories like this are not very productive they add little value and are designed to bring you down.  For me it’s more motivation to make it on my own so I don’t have to play these employer games.

    Instead of wasting energy responding to reports like these, put energy into making your own opportunities.  

    • Anonymous

      Richard – well put.  That’s certainly where this information takes me.  Instead of moaning about how bad the companies are, just look around and create your own opportunity.

    • Sharon

      The last supervisor I had once said to me; It’s not how much you know it’s how well you know how to play the game. I didn’t get it at the time, but after working with her for 15 years I understood. I was still a peon and she was up tp Vice President!!!

  • Mary

    These ads have been found for over 2 years. 
    Recent part of ad currently found in Boston Craigslist.  Bravely listed without their real name.

    Senior Accountant-Public Background 75K (Boston)

    Date: 2011-06-01, 11:15AM EDT

    Reply to: job-q5dpa-2414542758@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

    Leading organization looking for a senior accountant Candidate MUST be
    currently employed and have experience either at a mid sized public firm
    or Big 4 firm. This is a visible role that will allow someone a
    tremendous opportunity.

    • Anonymous

      Mary – yep, that’s a perfect example.  They just kinda slip that in there.  

  • Vickie502

    I went through a 2 and 1/2 years of being employed and unemployed.  The companies that I took a position with were bought ourt or lost the contract I was working under.  I used a temp service to fill in the time and used one day a week to help at my church.  I was hired through the temp service for the job I am doing now and have been here 10 years.  But I am very aware that with the changing computer programs that my job can someday be elimated.  There are created ways to be working while not working.  I guess we all need to look and see what is out there.  I know many people out of work now.  Some are saying poor me and others are out there working at whatever they can find. 
    Vic

  • Guy

    Simple solution put the people that are doing the hiring in the unemployment line and tell them to go find a job

    • Omar Schmidlap

      Ha ha cackle snort — that’s a good one!

    • Pen-to-paper

      That would be a good one!

    • MVRDS

      This actually happen to the HR Director that processed my layoff.  She was going ninety to nothing during the process.  All I was hearing was bla bla bla I was still at the point where they had told me I was being laid off :) .  Anyway, bla bla bla and I”m gone.  I found out a few days later that they had let her go the next day! ugh hated it for her too!

  • James

    If you are out of work, don’t consider yourself “unemployed.”  There is just of hint of truth in the stereotypical view of the unemployed, as bulletted out in Mr. Miller’s post.  Maybe they don’t apply to you, but they have applied to some unemployed people now and in the past.

    If you get laid off or your position gets abolished, treat yourself as a self-employed.  Promote yourself as a consultant.  Pick up odd jobs.  Take classes.  Being self-employed doesn’t specify the number of billable hours you have a week or your rate of pay.  But it does mean you are doing something to be of service to others and to keep at the top of your game … not watching Oprah or the Casey Anthony trial all day.

    I’ve been in the hiring managers’ shoes, and sometimes you just have to narrow the pool of candidates down to a manageable few.  A hiring manager can’t carefully review a thousand resumes.  It just isn’t possible.  So they have to make some stereotypical judgments and use whatever criteria seems halfway reasonable.  Yes, it is legal.  Yes, it is unfair.  Yes, great candidates get passed over.

    Being “unemployed” does have negative connotations, sometimes with ourselves as well as hiring managers.  Don’t ever allow yourself to feed into these stereotypes.  Keep the dignity in your career.  Think of your career as a superhighway, and you have just taken an off-ramp to refuel or do something else productive.  Make your time off the highway productive and look for the right on-ramp.

  • cool showde

    just think about all of the people who have nothing,no home,no nothing.do you really think they care about jail or prison, use your brain people. prison sounds better than being in the hot sun or cold air all day and all night with no water or food.what do yall thank a person would choose.dont answer to me at the same time dont lie 2 your self.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently the Jobs Bill Mr. Obama wants Congress to pass WOULD make unemployed people a “protected class,” meaning an applicant can sue the employer if s/he thinks s/he was not selected because of being unemployed.  This will make some attorneys very rich and more people unemployed!

    More information: http://www.pointofview.net/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=18148&security=1&news_iv_ctrl=1201

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